Macedonia is a modern-day country, but Alexander was born in the Greek kingdom of Macedon which made him a Macedonian even though he was born in a city that is located in modern-day Greece. QM is tricksy, yes he is.
and also technically, the country is North Macedonia because the Greeks took issue with just "Macedonia".
History is complicated. Alexander, who, many consider to be ethnic Albanian, was born in Macedonia, which is now Greece. Mother Theresa, who was ethnic Albanian, with parents from Kosovo, was born in Skopje in modern-day North Macedonia, which at the time was part of the Ottoman empire.
If you count the kingdom and not the city where he was born as the place where he was from... then Macedonia probably should be included. The country of Macedonia lies entirely within the boundaries of the ancient kingdom of Macedonia, even if Pella is now within the borders of Greece, and if pointing this out annoys Greeks.
On the other hand if you're just going by the exact spot the person was born, then yes, that is in the modern-day country of Greece.
As long as Macedonian Slavs claim they have nothing to do with Greece or its ancient culture, their country has nothing more to do with ancient Macedonia than Afghanistan or any other country ancient Macedonians conquered. So even if you don't go by strictly geographical terms, which is what the test asks for, Macedonia would still be a wrong answer.
I'm sorry if I misunderstood your argument. But I still can't see why Macedonia should be included in any case. The area of modern-day FYROM was mostly not a part of ancient Macedonia except as a dependent territory, which means it's on a par with any other place conquered by the Macedonians. None of the major cities were located there, Alexander the Great didn't live there, he wasn't born there, the aspect of historical continuation you weren't referring to anyway. That's not where he was from in any conceivable way.
Depends on what map you look at. There are a few out there floating around that show ancient Macedonia as not including any or barely any of the territory of the modern-day nation state of Macedonia. Most of those maps I found on websites with a Greek nationalist flavor and I don't trust them. Other maps show ancient Macedonia's territory extending over much or all of Macedonia.
The only point that I was making is the point that I (thought I) stated clearly above, Alexander was born into an ancient kingdom that geographically incorporated both Macedonia and Greece (at least parts of). Different maps with different political agendas probably tell different stories about exactly how much territory of either was an integral part of the kingdom.
Not in dispute is that Pella, the city where he was born, is currently within the borders of Greece. So, as stated, if you're only worried about the exact spot, then the answer is Greece.
What you're probably referring to is Macedonia as a region today. This is a 19th century definition. The English and even the Slavic Macedonian Wikipedia articles on the kingdom of Macedonia have maps that show what it was like in ancient times. I guess these are not biased in favour of Greeks :)
No, I'm not referring to the region of Macedonia. I am referring, alternately, to the modern-day nation state of the Republic of Macedonia, and the ancient Kingdom of Macedonia.
Alexander was born in the city of Pella, which was within the ancient Kingdom of Macedonia. At the time of his birth, the ancient Kingdom of Macedonia's territorial extent included land that would later become parts of the modern day nation states Greece and Macedonia.
The city of Pella is wholly within the current political boundaries of the modern day nation state of Greece. My understanding of the instructions makes Greece the most clear answer. But I can see how the instructions could be interpreted a different way.
If that still doesn't get my point across I'm sorry. I don't know how to be more clear.
It's still an absurdity claiming that "Macedonia" should be accepted as the modern day country of Alexander's birth. Romania also bears its name because it was part of the ancient Roman empire, and it was for many more centuries than Macedonia was part of the Macedonian kingdom. With the Romanians, the continuation of the legacy is clearer (they at least speak a Romance language). So... should we accept Romanian for Julius Caesar now?
Meanwhile, I'm convinced you understand perfectly what I said. You are just too stubborn and/or proud to admit you were wrong.
We all know the the current nation Macedonia lies within the borders of the ancient Kingdom of Macedonia. But allowing Macedonia as an answer not only is factually wrong (it's not the current day nation where Alexander was born), but opens a road to many more dumb answers in this very same test: when Dalí was born the was part of Spain, when Van Gogh was born Indonesia was part of the Netherlands, when Sophia Loren was born Libya was part of Italy,...
So when you say "If you count the kingdom and not the city where he was born as the place where he was from... then Macedonia probably should be included" (your exact words), I reply that this would be "nonsense" and "an absurdity".
Kalbahamut, I had perfectly understood what you were saying, I just pointed out that any maps you were looking at showing FYROM within the boundaries of Macedonia, either showed it as a dependent territory of the ancient Greek kingdom (with the conquest actually occuring later than Alexander's birth), or were using a 19th century geographical definition of Macedonia. Or were simply wrong. In short, everything else aside, Alexander was born in a kingdom that was practically entirely within modern-day Greece. I hope that's clear.
Right because you, Greek guy with a huge chip on your shoulder and obvious agenda, you're more of an expert cartographer and historian that actual cartographers and historians with no such agenda. That makes sense.
I already directed you to the map from the actual Slavomacedonian Wikipedia (totally biased in favour of Greeks, right?), so how about you provide a specific link/reference to any of those real cartographers or historians you're talking about? Because right now it looks like you've got a chip on your shoulder for being proven wrong.
Kal geting ratio'd because he is objectively incorrect, shown that he was wrong multiple times, and steadfastly refuses to back down from his incorrect assertion. I wonder how it feels to be such a prideful slave to your own errors, even years and years later.
Call me an ignorant yank but who is Lily Allen? Yes I read her Wikipedia article and by her name you can guess the answer easily but I have never even caught wind of that name. Everyone else I can tell you a sentence or two about.
You are doing better than I am, I've never heard of Lily Allen, Ang Lee, Rihanna, or Lula Da Silva (who I thought vaguely may have been a dancer with Bing Crosby and Bob Hope).
I don't know where you've been if you've never heard of Rihanna. She's a pop singer, I guess she must just be popular here in the states but I figured she's big enough to be popular globally.
I've never heard of Lily or Lula, but Ang Lee is a brilliant movie director with three Oscars for Best Director. Some of his best-known films are Brokeback Mountain, Life of Pi, Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon, and one of my all-time favorites, Sense & Sensibility (from the Emma Thompson screenplay,) Not bad for a young man who twice failed his college entrance exams.
I'm from the UK so it's probably a bit biased, but Lily Allen is a household name here and has been for about 15 years maybe. She is very marmite, she is either loved or hated - I personally think she's fantastic!
Yeah but how is it possible to be born in a country that didn't exist at that time. I should read the quizzes better. But still, if you're born in a place/country it can't be changed whether it is transformed or not.
Each column had exactly one person I had never heard of. They were a musician (don't feel too bad), a race car driver (don't feel too bad), and a president (whoops).
Had to think about Duvalier, since France had already been answered. Then I remembered my generation knew him as Papa Doc and it made sense that he had a French name.
History is complicated. Alexander, who, many consider to be ethnic Albanian, was born in Macedonia, which is now Greece. Mother Theresa, who was ethnic Albanian, with parents from Kosovo, was born in Skopje in modern-day North Macedonia, which at the time was part of the Ottoman empire.
On the other hand if you're just going by the exact spot the person was born, then yes, that is in the modern-day country of Greece.
The only point that I was making is the point that I (thought I) stated clearly above, Alexander was born into an ancient kingdom that geographically incorporated both Macedonia and Greece (at least parts of). Different maps with different political agendas probably tell different stories about exactly how much territory of either was an integral part of the kingdom.
Not in dispute is that Pella, the city where he was born, is currently within the borders of Greece. So, as stated, if you're only worried about the exact spot, then the answer is Greece.
Alexander was born in the city of Pella, which was within the ancient Kingdom of Macedonia. At the time of his birth, the ancient Kingdom of Macedonia's territorial extent included land that would later become parts of the modern day nation states Greece and Macedonia.
The city of Pella is wholly within the current political boundaries of the modern day nation state of Greece. My understanding of the instructions makes Greece the most clear answer. But I can see how the instructions could be interpreted a different way.
If that still doesn't get my point across I'm sorry. I don't know how to be more clear.
We all know the the current nation Macedonia lies within the borders of the ancient Kingdom of Macedonia. But allowing Macedonia as an answer not only is factually wrong (it's not the current day nation where Alexander was born), but opens a road to many more dumb answers in this very same test: when Dalí was born the was part of Spain, when Van Gogh was born Indonesia was part of the Netherlands, when Sophia Loren was born Libya was part of Italy,...
So when you say "If you count the kingdom and not the city where he was born as the place where he was from... then Macedonia probably should be included" (your exact words), I reply that this would be "nonsense" and "an absurdity".
"Stalin was born Ioseb Besarionis dze Jughashvili in the Georgian town of Gori on 18 December [O.S. 6 December] 1878." -Wikipedia
Hmm . . . doesn't seem to quite add up . . .
Best Of Luck for the other quizzes everyone!